Friday, March 5, 2010

The Deleted Wikipedia Entry on El Naschie II

(Part I is here. Part III is here.)
As we wrote back in February 2009, a Wikipedia user named Nasr2000 created, and later requested deletion of, the English language Wikipedia article about El Naschie.


Nasr2000, who no longer uses that alias to edit Wikipedia articles, did his work from IP address 128.240.229.68, which was shared by several people, but resolves to the following building:

[See Jon Harley's photo of Claremont Tower on Flickr here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistdog/676927790/. Embedded version removed at his request.]

descr: University of Newcastle upon Tyne
descr: The Computing Laboratory
descr: Claremont Tower, Claremont Road
descr: Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU
descr: United Kingdom
netname: NCL
country: GB

Nasr2000 is in fact Nasr M. Ahmed (click image for big pic),
a doctoral student at Newcastle. He has not responded to a February 24 email from me offering him the opportunity of guest-blogging at El Naschie Watch.

If you follow this link and then click the icon for the cached PDF, you'll get a 5MB document: School of Mathematics & Statistics, University of Newcastle upon Tyne, The Postgraduate Magazine, 1st Edition, January 2007. (The direct link to the PDF doesn't work.) The first article in that magazine is about George Cantor, and was written by Nasr Ahmed. Selected excerpts:

[I have deleted all the material in this post from this point on since we now know the full truth about the Wikipedia article from Nasr Ahmed's own mouth. --Jason]

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33 comments:

  1. I think Naser Ahmed is a young crackpot. El naschie considered him as his Ph.D student.
    When El naschie list his Ph. D. students, he counts Naser Ahmed and Elokaby.

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  2. That's a shame for Nasr Ahmed. Having El Naschie on your thesis committee is not a good career choice. If you have a list of El Naschie's students, please show us.

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  3. FWIW: to my knowledge, Nasr Ahmed recently got his PhD from Newcastle University, a.k.a. The University of Newcastle upon Tyne (rebranding a few years back, don't ask) under the supervision of I. G. Moss.

    So I would take MSelN's claim to him as a PhD student with a grain of salt, possibly one carved out with side lengths in the golden ratio.

    I also don't think that postgrad magazine is still active. Make of that what you will.

    Cheers
    YC
    (PhD, Newcastle upon Tyne, in the interests of having disclaimers)

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  4. BTW, out of curiosity, where does that photo of the Claremont come from? it doesn't look like a brochure pic.

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  5. YC, thanks for the info. The pic is on the first Google image search page of "claremont tower newcastle university".

    Nasr Ahmed's email address at Newcastle still works, though. That is, mail doesn't bounce as undeliverable.

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  6. Astronomy Department, National Research Institute of Astronomy and Geophysics, Helwan, Egypt (affiliation in the PDF), does not list Nasr Ahmed.

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  7. Give a look at this comment where N. Ahmed was mentioned
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/3314456/Surfer-dude-stuns-physicists-with-theory-of-everything.html

    James Sarions
    on March 26, 2008
    at 08:43 AM

    I think I can explain how the golden mean of phi equal to 0.6190339898 enters into Elnaschie E-infinity and transfinite E8 exceptional Lie group theory. 1. E-Infinity spacetime is made of infinitely many elementary random cantor sets. The Hausdorff dimension of these cantor sets, according to a theorem by Mauldin and Williams is equal to the golden mean. 2. The stability of the dynamics of E-infinity is determined by KAM theorem. This theorem states that the most stable orbit is the one with a golden mean winding number. 3. The E8 Gosset which is 8 dimensional is made of two concentric 600 cells polytops each is four dimensional. These polytops are generalizations of the golden mean proportioned platonic solids. 4. Golden mean geometry guarantees simplistic dynamics. That means phase space area preserving or Hamiltonian dynamics. 5. The golden mean is the solution of the simple nontrivial quadratic equation for which there is no difference between union and intersection. This is the resolution of the two slit-experiment. 6. The golden mean binary system advocated in physics by the Egyptian, N. Ahmed at Newcastle Upon Thyne is the simplest number system. All the above 6 reasons conspired in recent time to revolutionize they way we do high energy physics.
    J. Sarions

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    In one of the articles about Lisi in telegraph,
    Naser Ahmed wrote comments and introduced him self as Ph. D. student of El naschie but these comment was deleted.

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  8. Oh, that's very good. Do you think J. Sarions might be N. Ahmed?

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  9. I'm astonished that, Nasr Ahmed, a Ph. D. student working in particle physics was deceived by El naschie in this miserable way. El naschie's fraudulence is self evident even for a non specialist, it doesn't require much knowledge of math and physics to disclose the case of El naschie.

    Morever, Nasr Ahmed has published a paper in CSF with these crackpottery stuff of El naschie

    Cantorian small world, Mach’s principle, and the universal mass network
    Chaos, Solitons & Fractals
    Volume 21, Issue 4, August 2004, Pages 773-781
    Abstract
    Mach’s principle implies a connection between the mass of elementary particles and the mass of the universe. We suggest that within the framework of El Naschie’s Cantorian space–time, this principle arises naturally as a result of the network representation of this space. All masses and fundamental couplings are nothing but different scalings of each others. This suggests that the different forces of nature are just one unified force that appears differently at different energy scales. We derive this universal inverse coupling constant of quantum gravity for the case of supersymmetric unification in Cantorian space and discuss some quantum implications of the network representation of this space such as quantum nonlocality and quantum entanglement.
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    Nasr Ahmed has connection with ray and he has many post in fqxi 395 thread discussion.
    Even there is a recent post on
    http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/603#post_16192
    Ahmed wrote on Mar. 7, 2010 @ 17:43 GMT
    one can give look at it, to decide if this Nasr Ahmed or El naschie using his name.

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  10. Ray has doubts that "Ahmed" of Mar. 7, 2010 @ 17:43 GMT is real. Ray said:

    "Are you really my friend Dr. Nasr M. Ahmed or are you another sock puppet? I alerted my friend Nasr on Facebook that the El Naschie Watch was attacking his credibility. I would have expected a response on Facebook or e-mail. And I am surprised that the latest postings on El Naschie Watch regarding Dr. Nasr M. Ahmed make it sound as if Nasr has disowned El Naschie. What is going on? This doesn't add up. Someone should clarify the situation."

    I am trying right now to determine who's real.

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  11. Being a doctoral student for several years is in most cases a learning experience. You will have to take responsibility and in many cases stand your ground when your supervisor wants you to do it his way. When you find out he is weak at math or his methods are crap you are in a difficult situation. He is still in power and you certainly don't want to blow whistles or go around telling "my supervisor is a retard". No. You just learn the lesson and see that you get out of that trip with your PhD and no more harm done. After all, as the doctoral student you can lose most in this situation (e.g. the two years already spent there until you figure him out). Seen from that perspective, he performed well with only one or two papers with him and then taking his own way. Don't underestimate how difficult it is to make an ok decision in such a situation.
    But on the bright side, with your PhD in your pocket, you learned something and may detect crackpots and fraud on sight the next time.

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  12. That paper was from 2004. I agree with Martin. I wouldn't hold it against Nasr. He has matured.

    The comment by J. Sarions by the way was not written by Nasr, he says.

    The Mar. 7, 2010 @ 17:43 GMT comment by "Ahmed" also was not written by Nasr, he says.

    I believe him.

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  13. From the telegraph article
    Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein
    I have found a pdf file for the article with comment, unfortunately , there are some missed text, but one can guess them.

    This one comment for Nasr Ahmed
    Few years ago, I had the great honor and pleasure of being a Ph.D. student
    Mohamed. El aschie. All people who have met Prof. El aschie share the same
    him. He really has got a genius mind and a strong charisma. I still remember
    with him in Egypt and in London. When he speaks in physics, hundreds of brilliant
    come out of his mind. I haven ’ t experienced something like that in all physicists
    except him. For his students, that makes it very difficult to write down all the
    comments he said in the meeting! His papers represent a great source of inspirations
    current string theory research in the UK. My advice to people who hate professor
    to try to improve their research abilities instead of attacking one of the most
    scientists in the world.

    Poste by N. Ahme from UK on June 11, 2008 3:35 PM

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  14. From the telegraph article
    Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein

    comment from seemingly crackpot
    It is close to 40 yers that I have been close friend of El ascie and with the passage
    my admiration for him as a person endowed with a 'beautiful' mind and an enormous
    has constantly increased. His innate talent for numbers and mathematics has
    acquire virtuosic mathematical skills akin to those of Paganini with the violin.
    an enormous asset if one is to delve deeply into the realm of theoretical physics.
    once an engineer but with this talent and a searching and manifold mind he
    his true love lay in the field of theoretical physics in general and in particular
    challenging problem of the unification of the forces of nature. He has taken
    and achievedd brilliant results acknowledged by leading researchers in this
    the world. That some of his papers have topped the citation list speaks for itself.
    some who criticize him for his prolific publications; surely this is out of shear
    envy.For that matter should we scoff at Mozart or Bach for their prolificity?
    To be the target of the mudslingers and racists is no novelty.It is a necessary
    to glory. Many of the great names in science (as well as in other disciplines)
    endure the slings and arrows of their contemporary rivals- Boltzman,Becquerel,
    Einstein are just few of the names that come immediately to mind. So be it
    man who to me, borrowing Blake's words,holds infinity in the palm of his hands
    eternity in an hour. To him I say, be patient, time will certainly vindicate you.
    Asser Zaky, F.Inst.Phys., LFIEEE
    Emeritus Professor
    Poste by Asser Zaky on June 9, 2008 8:43 PM

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  15. From the telegraph article
    Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein

    comment from the giant crackpot Huan
    I, Prof. Ji-Huan He am signing this letter with my own name.
    The unfounded cowardly attack against Prof. El aschie was made by
    people hiding behind pseudo names and went as far as writing
    defamatory letters to ambridge in England, to Saudi Arabia and even to
    me in hina trying to prevent me from going on with our large and
    extremely successful conference named after Prof. El aschie
    for his contributions to science in general and nonlinear
    dynamics in particular.
    Some little journals here and there thought they can gain
    some cheap points by attacking our successful group and I
    have in mind one particular Journal that is unfortunately
    chinese. I will not mention at this point anything more on these little journals but they tried to find inside
    Elsevier a supporter to attack Prof. El aschie by unfair
    methods of unethical competition just because our journal
    happens to be the best.
    We will not spend more time answering and talking to such
    people who will end in the rubbish bin of history in all
    events. I am confident that Prof. El aschie will earn the
    highest recognition and the highest prize including the
    Nobel Prize in time whether he remains the Director of King
    Abdullah Institute for nanotechnology in Riyadh or decides
    to devote his time to political work in his native country
    Egypt or withdraw altogether and work only on the further
    development of E-Infinity theory. I am sure at the end his
    and our work will be vindicated and will remain an integral
    part of scientific culture and a shining example for all
    young scientists in Egypt, Arabia, china and the whole
    world.

    Dr. Ji Huan-He
    Donghua University,Shanghai, hina
    2008-06-03
    Posted by Prof. Ji-Huan He on June 3, 2008 11:14 PM

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  16. From the telegraph article
    Garrett Lisi: This surfer is no Einstein

    i've met Garrett Lisi several times in Maui. He's not
    a very good surfer either.
    Posted by Jason Sevennod on June 7, 2008 10:01 PM

    I don't know if this is you Jason or not.

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  17. Haha no "Jason Sevennod on June 7, 2008 10:01 PM
    " is not Jason of El Naschie Watch.

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  18. Anonymous, I'd appreciate it if you would send me the PDF you're looking at.

    Most or all of the things you quote can also be found here:

    http://encyclopedia.sprinko.com/?title=User_talk:Gulmammad/archive_1

    Someone does post things as "N. Ahmed" or "Ahmed" around the Internet that appear to be from Nasr but which he denies were posted by him, and I believe him.

    There is a troublemaker or troublemakers sowing confusion by impersonating people.

    The one that says "I, Prof. Ji-Huan He am signing this letter with my own name." may be fake too, I'm not sure.

    As another example, you may remember that Mohamed Ali Atia El-Borai, head of the physics department at Alexandria University, was impersonated giving an apology to El Naschie. So there is mischief. The real Nasr Ahmed seems to be a sensible guy who does real physics.

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  19. Did Nasr Ahmed denied the comment of Telegraph written under his name, namely
    N. Ahmed from UK on June 11, 2008 3:35 PM

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  20. Anonymous March 11, 2010 2:25 AM: I will answer your question in an update to the Wikipedia part III thread that follows this one.

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  21. Anonymous March 11, 2010 2:25 AM: The question has been answered.

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  22. Did Nasr denied that he has published a paper in CSF related to the crackpottery stuff of El naschie?

    Cantorian small world, Mach’s principle, and the universal mass network
    Chaos, Solitons & Fractals
    Volume 21, Issue 4, August 2004, Pages 773-781
    Abstract
    Mach’s principle implies a connection between the mass of elementary particles and the mass of the universe. We suggest that within the framework of El Naschie’s Cantorian space–time, this principle arises naturally as a result of the network representation of this space. All masses and fundamental couplings are nothing but different scalings of each others. This suggests that the different forces of nature are just one unified force that appears differently at different energy scales. We derive this universal inverse coupling constant of quantum gravity for the case of supersymmetric unification in Cantorian space and discuss some quantum implications of the network representation of this space such as quantum nonlocality and quantum entanglement.

    I expect El naschie can do any thing, maybe he authored papers and putting names of other peoples. So I suggest if Jason can do index of El naschie's sockpuppets names that seems belong to real people. It could be helpful and dangerous for El naschie that those real people realize that El naschie using their name as Nasr Ahmed did.

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  23. I have just asked him about it and we'll see what he says. Sorry, I see you pointed out that paper earlier -- I should have asked him before. He did say in an earlier email to me that El Naschie wanted to put Ahmed's name on papers El Naschie had written, and he was alarmed by that. He didn't know what was in the papers. They were to be published in Chaos, Solitons and Fractals. But we didn't discuss any particular papers.

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  24. It was really unfortunate for Nasr Ahmed to fall under the spell of the great man.

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  25. Yes, it is too bad. But I think he has wised up. Unlike Ayman Elokaby, whose publication record I am looking at.

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  26. Not a PhD thesis under the Great Man, but it's entirely based on his E-infinity theory:

    http://www.fedoa.unina.it/1993/1/Chinnici_Scienze_Computazionali.pdf

    Some excerpts from the introduction:

    "In particular, reading El Naschie’s papers, E-Infinity appears to be clearly a new frame-
    work for understanding and describing Nature. /.../The purpose of this Ph.D. thesis is to investigate the properties of the involved stochastic self-similar processes in the context of M. El Naschie’s E(∞) Cantorian space-time and to present new results obtained by using the fractal and multifractal properties within this scenario."

    Pure gold and poor Marta!

    The supervisor was Gerardo Iovane.

    Take it down, before it disapears!

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  27. A great find, Shrink. I have downloaded it. I can't believe what I'm reading. What a shame for poor Marta. Gerardo Iovane has wasted a great deal of her time. He has no business being anyone's thesis advisor.

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  28. Most people seek to advance during the time of their phd thesis. It appears Marta made a step back - that's sad. But maybe she learned something!? Did you see, she plotted the fractal dimensions of all the elements and our planetary bodies into one and the same diagram - and even connected the dots!! A sad story...

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  29. Look also at Fig. 2.6 (An artistic impression of E- Infinity space-time published by El Naschie).

    It seems this thesis follows the Great Man's notion about natural science to the full extent.

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  30. Iovane has published two papers with her.

    Iovane G. and Chinnici M., Stochastic self-similar processes and random walk in nature, Journal of Interdisciplinary Mathematics, Vol. 9, N. 3, pp. 475-498, Taru Publications, 2006.

    G. Iovane, M. Chinnici, and F.S. Tortoriello, Multifractals and El Naschie E-infinity Cantorian space–time, Chaos, Solitons & Fractals Volume 35, Issue 4, February 2008, Pages 645-658

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  31. @Yemon Choi: that photograph is my photograph of the Claremont Tower, the original of which is here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mistdog/676927790/

    @blog owner: just because an image is returned by a google search does not give you permission to make a copy of it and republish it without any mention of the original creator or the copyright. The photo is clearly marked "all rights reserved" on flickr. I am not happy that you have ignored this and also removed my copyright details from the copy you have made, which other people might make further copies of in the future. PLEASE REMOVE YOUR COPY OF THE PHOTO FROM BLOGSPOT and take more care in future.

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