Saturday, July 31, 2010

What the Nobel Laureates think of El Naschie

What is known about the attitudes of Gerard 't Hooft and David Gross to Mohamed El Naschie? There is some scant information about that long buried in our archives. This post is to gather and highlight what we know.




David Gross

El Naschie's sockpuppet Mark wrote on Feb. 25, 2010 @ 12:07 GMT

Two decades ago he [El Naschie] was proposed as a successor to Abdu Salam [sic. Abdus Salam, a Nobel Laureate] in Trieste [ICTP in Trieste]. Nobel Laureate David Gross went on the barricades to block this nomination.


So apparently Gross recognized El Naschie for the crackpot he is and, as a scientist, acted appropriately.



Gerard 't Hooft

Zoran Skoda wrote on November 6, 2008 10:43 PM

When Urs [referring to Urs Schreiber] visited me last month I mentioned this during the lunch and he was well aware of the nonsense papers often published there [in Chaos, Solitons and Fractals]. I contacted one influential Nobel prize winner [Gerard 't Hooft] who knows El Nashchie and told me that he can’t or does not want to do much about it, and this is not a big thing and so on. And I was informed of huge influence of that guy [El Naschie] in some middle east countries, what is not an argument which should be cited by a person of Nobel prize standing, and I feel it insulting for the decency of discussion.


Gerard 't Hooft, who sold his principles for El Naschie's lavish hospitality, must regret inviting the great man to his birthday party.


An El Naschie Watch reader called "H" is displeased with this post and by my criticism of John Baez. I'll respond here to the points he raised.

Jason,

I support your mission and agree on your views on El Naschie, Ji-Huan He and Rössler. (I read some of He's papers on 'Homotopy Perturbation Method' about two years ago and I was amazed that such low-quality papers could be published.)

But the more I read this blog, the more I lose respect for you. You put words and opinions in Gerard 't Hooft and David Gross' mouths, because of some anonymous comments on the Internet?


Mark's comment about Gross was favorable, so I won't bother defending it. Zoran Skoda's comment was not anonymous. He's a real person. I quoted Skoda reporting first hand on his communication with 't Hooft. Having a Nobel in physics doesn't make whatever dumbass action you take morally defensible. In this case Skoda has principles and 't Hooft doesn't.

You don't respect John Baez' choice of letting this thing go, and call him childish things (like a Coward and a poltroon) various places on the web?


By "John Baez' choice of letting this thing go" you must mean his cravenly pulling down his El Naschie criticism at the first hint that lawyers might get involved. But John Baez is a self-styled Internet tough guy and scourge of crackpots; it may be what he's most famous for. So, yes, I concluded from my phone call with him that he's a coward. See 1. Did Baez and Distler succumb to legal threats? 2. My phone call with John Baez 3. My emails with John Baez 4. John Baez: calm, firm, unafraid, hard-knuckled.

You insult 't Hooft, by saying that he has lost his principles?


Yes. In return for favors, 't Hooft willingly lent his prestige to a man he knows is a crackpot. El Naschie and He are crackpots and impact factor frauds. Baez is a coward and a poltroon.

This blog is unmoderated; I allow anything but spam. 't Hooft, El Naschie, He, and Baez are welcome to defend themselves here, or have others defend them if they don't want to get their hands dirty. I am happy to post retractions when I have been unfair.

If you keep on behaving childish, insult established scientists and draw conclusions based on very very thin documentation, you yourself will become a crackpot. I respect your work and hope you will proceed with more professionalism, rather than like a tabloid "journalist".

H


This blog is respectable enough already, maybe too respectable. I have no aspirations of journalistic professionalism. I do this for fun and I tell the truth as I see it. A tabloid or scandal sheet for eggheads is a fair description of El Naschie Watch.

Your admonition not to "insult established scientists" reminds me of the discussion concerning the deletion of the Wikipedia entry on El Naschie:

insulting famous and respected people like that is punishable by law and Prof. el naschie is going to take a legal actions if you don't stop that.


't Hooft is not above criticism. I am with Skoda on that.

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5 comments:

  1. Jason,

    I support your mission and agree on your views on El Naschie, Ji-Huan He and Rössler. (I read some of He's papers on 'Homotopy Perturbation Method' about two years ago and I was amazed that such low-quality papers could be published.)

    But the more I read this blog, the more I lose respect for you. You put words and opinions in Gerard 't Hooft and David Gross' mouths, because of some anonymous comments on the Internet? You don't respect John Baez' choice of letting this thing go, and call him childish things (like a Coward and a poltroon) various places on the web? You insult 't Hooft, by saying that he has lost his principles?

    If you keep on behaving childish, insult established scientists and draw conclusions based on very very thin documentation, you yourself will become a crackpot. I respect your work and hope you will proceed with more professionalism, rather than like a tabloid "journalist".

    H

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  2. El Naschie's Rosa Al-Youssef column is up for Sunday August 1. Investment in Egypt's youth. Arabic or English.

    El Naschie says Egypt's youth are more important than oil, minerals, or the Nile to Egypt's economic future. He thinks eduction is the key, and approves of the path China has taken. He also approves of Konrad Adenauer's administration of post-war West Germany.

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  3. According to sock-puppet Mark (most probably El naschie himself)
    (.....
    Two decades ago he [El Naschie] was proposed as a successor to Abdu Salam [sic. Abdus Salam, a Nobel Laureate] in Trieste [ICTP in Trieste]. Nobel Laureate David Gross went on the barricades to block this nomination. .....)


    In fact this is another lie for the great man like many of his numerous lies such as free officer lie, director of King Abdulallah institute of Nano techonlogy, and professor in Cambridge and etc....

    If you look at the history of ICTP, El naschie was never proposed or nominated as a director of ICTP. When Abdu Salam have resigned in
    1994, the deputy director, Prof. L. Bertocchi, was appointed as acting director of ICTP.
    http://www.ictp.trieste.it/pages/mission/development.html
    ".... 1994:

    Prof. Salam's Book Professor Abdus Salam, having resigned from the Directorship of ICTP, is appointed President. A selection committee is convened to appoint a new director. The Deputy Director, Prof. L. Bertocchi, is appointed Acting Director...."

    Prof. L. Bertocchi, remained as acting director
    till 1995, when Professor Miguel Virasoro from the University of Rome was appointed to succeed Salam. He was the Centre's director until the end of May 2002.
    http://www.ictp.trieste.it/pages/mission/history.html

    El naschie have been well known as a crackpoet since very long time even from early ninety (1991). Moreover his few papers in engineering career are quite ordinary papers. It would be difficult to propose his name as a director of ICTP in 1994, at this period he had not any significant work nor inflated list of trash publication.

    The great man manged to deceive peoples in third world countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia but eventually they uncovered his reality as a crackpot.

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  4. I think you have it all correctly figured out, Zahy. Still, it may be that Mark's statement bears some vague relationship to the truth. For example, it could be that El Naschie's name was never officially forwarded, but just mentioned in an informal conversation, and Gross said "Who? You must be kidding". That kind of exchange wouldn't be part of the historical record.

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  5. El Naschie's Rosa Al-Youssef column is up for Monday August 2. Golden Age of Europe. Arabic or English.

    El Naschie drops the names Charles de Gaulle, Konrad Adenauer, Mohammed Ali Pasha, Napoleon Bonaparte and Gamal Abdel Nasser. He says Konrad Adenauer had the great President Charles de Gaulle as a helpful partner for developing post-war West Germany. He compares President Hosni Mubarak with Konrad Adenauer, and laments that Israel after the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin provided no such partner for Mubarak, because Israel "was still living in illusions of the past and dreams of military domination."

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